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> <channel><title>Comments on: I Might Just Get In Trouble For This&#8230;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:31:50 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Nigel Whitton</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-143</link> <dc:creator>Nigel Whitton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:25:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-143</guid> <description>Great to hear Adam, Scream it from the top of the nearest building!
Being from New Zealand we have small local networks, but no forums of our own as yet. So were else can like mined people from all around the world share ideas and thoughts, but on the internet. What an awesome tool!!!
I travel a lot and get to work with wood all over the world but hearing what is being said in the online forums from WiFi spots and were ever I connect always gives me ideas for my next project.
All I can say is I agree and keep going.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear Adam, Scream it from the top of the nearest building!<br
/> Being from New Zealand we have small local networks, but no forums of our own as yet. So were else can like mined people from all around the world share ideas and thoughts, but on the internet. What an awesome tool!!!<br
/> I travel a lot and get to work with wood all over the world but hearing what is being said in the online forums from WiFi spots and were ever I connect always gives me ideas for my next project.<br
/> All I can say is I agree and keep going.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peter</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-140</link> <dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:51:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-140</guid> <description>I think this is what the heart of the matter is. With Twitter, Facebook, etc., there&#039;s an ability to hold communal conversations that you can&#039;t get with print publications. I was just looking through some of the publications and companies that are on Twitter. As with a lot of businesses that use social media, they use it as a marketing tool one-dimensionally. They advertise their products and provide links to online resource content, and that&#039;s all. None of those that I saw were attempting to have substantive conversations with anyone about processes or content. The argument can be made that this isn&#039;t practical with staff time, etc., but I know professional journalists who are both marketing their publications and interacting with other users, so they&#039;re finding time. This kind of interaction seems to build relationships with readers, which ultimately helps their publications.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is what the heart of the matter is. With Twitter, Facebook, etc., there&#8217;s an ability to hold communal conversations that you can&#8217;t get with print publications. I was just looking through some of the publications and companies that are on Twitter. As with a lot of businesses that use social media, they use it as a marketing tool one-dimensionally. They advertise their products and provide links to online resource content, and that&#8217;s all. None of those that I saw were attempting to have substantive conversations with anyone about processes or content. The argument can be made that this isn&#8217;t practical with staff time, etc., but I know professional journalists who are both marketing their publications and interacting with other users, so they&#8217;re finding time. This kind of interaction seems to build relationships with readers, which ultimately helps their publications.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-138</link> <dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-138</guid> <description>That is absolutely true. You are almost guaranteed (almost) to receive correct information on safety issues from the publishers who are paid to do this. I say almost because there have always been and will always be those who still report irresponsibly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is absolutely true. You are almost guaranteed (almost) to receive correct information on safety issues from the publishers who are paid to do this. I say almost because there have always been and will always be those who still report irresponsibly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-137</link> <dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-137</guid> <description>Magazines could EASILY accomplish what you&#039;re talking about. It would be no problem to have someone online in Twitter or FB ready to answer questions concerning their latest issue. Just that one simple act alone could reassure massive loyalty among the readers.Will they be smart enough to do this? That remains to be seen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magazines could EASILY accomplish what you&#8217;re talking about. It would be no problem to have someone online in Twitter or FB ready to answer questions concerning their latest issue. Just that one simple act alone could reassure massive loyalty among the readers.</p><p>Will they be smart enough to do this? That remains to be seen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-136</link> <dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:51:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-136</guid> <description>That is an excellent point concerning the craft of journalism. They most certainly can thrive here online due to the high caliber of their work. I may be involved in a type of journalism due to blogging, but I tend to just call it writing. It&#039;s different. The writing is a part of what I do. It&#039;s not my exclusive art, like a journalist.Also, social proof is indeed key. I would hate to have this sort of &quot;movement&quot; produce a breed of armchair woodworkers. The hope is that with all of this information, you can get your answers/inspiration fast and get back out there to make it happen at the workbench.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an excellent point concerning the craft of journalism. They most certainly can thrive here online due to the high caliber of their work. I may be involved in a type of journalism due to blogging, but I tend to just call it writing. It&#8217;s different. The writing is a part of what I do. It&#8217;s not my exclusive art, like a journalist.</p><p>Also, social proof is indeed key. I would hate to have this sort of &#8220;movement&#8221; produce a breed of armchair woodworkers. The hope is that with all of this information, you can get your answers/inspiration fast and get back out there to make it happen at the workbench.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-135</link> <dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:44:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-135</guid> <description>You bring up some good points. We don&#039;t always turn to our favorite blogs because of high quality information. We turn to them because of the authentic experiences and opinions that are found there. Most often we can relate to those experiences and it doesn&#039;t matter if we agree with them on their opinions because we have built trust with them. How? Through developing relationships via social media and online interactions.Thanks for showing up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up some good points. We don&#8217;t always turn to our favorite blogs because of high quality information. We turn to them because of the authentic experiences and opinions that are found there. Most often we can relate to those experiences and it doesn&#8217;t matter if we agree with them on their opinions because we have built trust with them. How? Through developing relationships via social media and online interactions.</p><p>Thanks for showing up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-134</link> <dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:32:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-134</guid> <description>Correct. With online content it can be new fresh and always from a unique perspective due to the personality of the blogger. We can even inspire posts from each other because of situations and problems we encounter that maybe haven&#039;t been covered in magazines.Sounds like someone&#039;s been reading Gary V.?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct. With online content it can be new fresh and always from a unique perspective due to the personality of the blogger. We can even inspire posts from each other because of situations and problems we encounter that maybe haven&#8217;t been covered in magazines.</p><p>Sounds like someone&#8217;s been reading Gary V.?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy Kriewaldt</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-132</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy Kriewaldt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-132</guid> <description>Like Shannon, I agree with a lot of what has been posted above.  My only slightly different thought is that it can help if you think about the internet as just another means for individuals to publish material that they create.  Some of the intermediation that older forms of publication imposed (editors and publishers) imposed some quality control, but also made publication more difficult for authors/creators.  The internet removes that control/filter/barrier.One area of concern that I have is when we start to look at more dangerous aspects of our craft - the use of finishes and the safety required to use some of them properly is one example.  Another is whenever we interface with mains electricity or something else that is inherently dangerous and subject to regulation.  Frankly, this is an area where I start to get very scared about &#039;advice&#039; from the internet.  Take for instance the confusion on what the new requirements for testing of finishes on toys in the US require.  Yes Tom Iovino clarified it, but there are how many posts on this issue that give differing interpretations of what the true position is?  I know from my own experience as a writer of legal texts that commercial publishers take great care in this sort of area to ensure that the advice they give in regulated areas is complete and accurate at the time of publication.  Frankly, the advice I see on this on the net is at best of curate&#039;s egg qualtity (ie some of it is good); sometimes it is plain wrong and dangerous and most frequently it is misleading (usually by omission of information rather than by outright falsehood).That variability in quality in areas that are  dangerous or likely to lead to liability of internet &#039;advice&#039; is a consequence of the low barrier to entry to the internet.  But it tends also to indicate why the &#039;authoritative&#039; advice in many areas will remain with the commercially published product - someone who makes money out of providing the information has a real incentive to get it right (if only to protect his assets) and the resources to ensure that it is right.  That commercial publication may be on the internet or in hard copy, but it is unlikely to be from the free forum and blog sites (let alone the social netwrking sites).Don&#039;t get me wrong - social networking and the blogoshpere are fun and give me interesting thoughts to pursue and I really enjoy sharing experiences with woodworkers from all over the world.  This is valuable and enriching.  It complements the authoritative sources of information.  Sometimes blogosphere information can be authoritative because of who writes it - eg if it concerns saws and is written by Mike Wenzloff, but most of it is only as authoritative as a diary entry.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Shannon, I agree with a lot of what has been posted above.  My only slightly different thought is that it can help if you think about the internet as just another means for individuals to publish material that they create.  Some of the intermediation that older forms of publication imposed (editors and publishers) imposed some quality control, but also made publication more difficult for authors/creators.  The internet removes that control/filter/barrier.</p><p>One area of concern that I have is when we start to look at more dangerous aspects of our craft &#8211; the use of finishes and the safety required to use some of them properly is one example.  Another is whenever we interface with mains electricity or something else that is inherently dangerous and subject to regulation.  Frankly, this is an area where I start to get very scared about &#8216;advice&#8217; from the internet.  Take for instance the confusion on what the new requirements for testing of finishes on toys in the US require.  Yes Tom Iovino clarified it, but there are how many posts on this issue that give differing interpretations of what the true position is?  I know from my own experience as a writer of legal texts that commercial publishers take great care in this sort of area to ensure that the advice they give in regulated areas is complete and accurate at the time of publication.  Frankly, the advice I see on this on the net is at best of curate&#8217;s egg qualtity (ie some of it is good); sometimes it is plain wrong and dangerous and most frequently it is misleading (usually by omission of information rather than by outright falsehood).</p><p>That variability in quality in areas that are  dangerous or likely to lead to liability of internet &#8216;advice&#8217; is a consequence of the low barrier to entry to the internet.  But it tends also to indicate why the &#8216;authoritative&#8217; advice in many areas will remain with the commercially published product &#8211; someone who makes money out of providing the information has a real incentive to get it right (if only to protect his assets) and the resources to ensure that it is right.  That commercial publication may be on the internet or in hard copy, but it is unlikely to be from the free forum and blog sites (let alone the social netwrking sites).</p><p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; social networking and the blogoshpere are fun and give me interesting thoughts to pursue and I really enjoy sharing experiences with woodworkers from all over the world.  This is valuable and enriching.  It complements the authoritative sources of information.  Sometimes blogosphere information can be authoritative because of who writes it &#8211; eg if it concerns saws and is written by Mike Wenzloff, but most of it is only as authoritative as a diary entry.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason Kreger</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-131</link> <dc:creator>Jason Kreger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:48:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-131</guid> <description>I think the key point here is that the big boys (and girls!) of the woodworking community need to start interacting more with their consumers.  No longer can the magazine editors play the roll of publish and forget.For me, I wouldn&#039;t give up my Fine Woodworking subscription for anything.  I find it to be one of my best sources of inspiration.  The problem is, no matter how well written an article is, there will always be follow up questions and the days of writing a letter to the editor of the magazine to find the answer are over.  We all demand instant answers.  If those folks can&#039;t make themselves more accessible to the layman, we&#039;ll find other sources.  Personally, if I run into a problem midway through a project, my first source for help is a Twitter message or an email to Adam or Marc or someone that I&#039;ve come to trust.  I&#039;d love to have that same kind of access to the editors or writers of the articles I read.  However, just adding their Twitter name to an article won&#039;t cut the mustard.  The magazine experts need to be actively involved.  They need to be interacting daily with the online community so that we know who they are and learn that they too are a trustworthy source of help and information.  Because, let&#039;s face it, a well written article is only half of the information and training that woodworkers have come to expect.The obvious problem here is that we need to run the internet &quot;experts&quot; through our own vetting process and then share what we find.  Woodworkers are not typically gullible bunch, we don&#039;t run out to buy everything we see in every add of our favorite magazines, we wait for those magazines to do a review of those products before we make a choice to buy.  Why would anyone assume that we&#039;d take everything we find on the internet as gospel?  We&#039;ve learned to rule out the &quot;Snake-oil&quot; salesmen in the real world, why would anyone assume that we wouldn&#039;t do the same in the digital world?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key point here is that the big boys (and girls!) of the woodworking community need to start interacting more with their consumers.  No longer can the magazine editors play the roll of publish and forget.</p><p>For me, I wouldn&#8217;t give up my Fine Woodworking subscription for anything.  I find it to be one of my best sources of inspiration.  The problem is, no matter how well written an article is, there will always be follow up questions and the days of writing a letter to the editor of the magazine to find the answer are over.  We all demand instant answers.  If those folks can&#8217;t make themselves more accessible to the layman, we&#8217;ll find other sources.  Personally, if I run into a problem midway through a project, my first source for help is a Twitter message or an email to Adam or Marc or someone that I&#8217;ve come to trust.  I&#8217;d love to have that same kind of access to the editors or writers of the articles I read.  However, just adding their Twitter name to an article won&#8217;t cut the mustard.  The magazine experts need to be actively involved.  They need to be interacting daily with the online community so that we know who they are and learn that they too are a trustworthy source of help and information.  Because, let&#8217;s face it, a well written article is only half of the information and training that woodworkers have come to expect.</p><p>The obvious problem here is that we need to run the internet &#8220;experts&#8221; through our own vetting process and then share what we find.  Woodworkers are not typically gullible bunch, we don&#8217;t run out to buy everything we see in every add of our favorite magazines, we wait for those magazines to do a review of those products before we make a choice to buy.  Why would anyone assume that we&#8217;d take everything we find on the internet as gospel?  We&#8217;ve learned to rule out the &#8220;Snake-oil&#8221; salesmen in the real world, why would anyone assume that we wouldn&#8217;t do the same in the digital world?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shannon</title><link>http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/i-might-just-get-in-trouble-for-this/comment-page-1#comment-130</link> <dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:09:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.woodworkersjourney.com/?p=409#comment-130</guid> <description>Social Media is really nothing more than &quot;conversational marketing&quot;.  That is how my colleagues and I refer to it daily.  (By day I work with an Internet Marketing Agency)  The paradigm shift lies in who is controlling the flow of information.  Now instead of us waiting and hoping that a topic is covered, Joe Woodworker can start the conversation.  The beauty and the danger here, like everyone has stated above, is how qualified is Joe Woodworker to broach his desired subject.  If unqualified, then no problem, maybe he posts an article as a catalyst to answer a question or solicit information from a qualified resource.  Like Dean said way above, there are so many ways to accomplish what we do and no right or wrong ways so a variety of viewpoints seems to be a necessity. This is something that publishers have trouble encapsulating that the blogosphere excels at.
To further echo some statements above, I think professional journalists can truly shine in this environment because they are artisans of a different craft: wordsmithing.  Even what I view as my most eloquent posts often pale in comparison to the writing style of the professionals.  That niche will always be there.  I also think that the written word, whether printed or digital, will always have a place and I worry about the explosion of video and audio.  These formats lend themselves to verbosity and rambling unless carefully planned.So ring it in from every street corner that 2010 is the year of the Internet woodworker.  The variety of opinions and styles of work cannot be matched by an army of publishers because we outnumber them.  Let us the masses remember to get off our computers and into our shops however so that we don&#039;t all become armchair woodworkers.  With so much information at our fingertips it would be a shame to not use it and make some shavings and dust!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Media is really nothing more than &#8220;conversational marketing&#8221;.  That is how my colleagues and I refer to it daily.  (By day I work with an Internet Marketing Agency)  The paradigm shift lies in who is controlling the flow of information.  Now instead of us waiting and hoping that a topic is covered, Joe Woodworker can start the conversation.  The beauty and the danger here, like everyone has stated above, is how qualified is Joe Woodworker to broach his desired subject.  If unqualified, then no problem, maybe he posts an article as a catalyst to answer a question or solicit information from a qualified resource.  Like Dean said way above, there are so many ways to accomplish what we do and no right or wrong ways so a variety of viewpoints seems to be a necessity. This is something that publishers have trouble encapsulating that the blogosphere excels at.<br
/> To further echo some statements above, I think professional journalists can truly shine in this environment because they are artisans of a different craft: wordsmithing.  Even what I view as my most eloquent posts often pale in comparison to the writing style of the professionals.  That niche will always be there.  I also think that the written word, whether printed or digital, will always have a place and I worry about the explosion of video and audio.  These formats lend themselves to verbosity and rambling unless carefully planned.</p><p>So ring it in from every street corner that 2010 is the year of the Internet woodworker.  The variety of opinions and styles of work cannot be matched by an army of publishers because we outnumber them.  Let us the masses remember to get off our computers and into our shops however so that we don&#8217;t all become armchair woodworkers.  With so much information at our fingertips it would be a shame to not use it and make some shavings and dust!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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